Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. We don't--we don't gush very much. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. I think about the Bagby family all the time. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. Cpl. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. I mean, the best man is really the groom. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. But with special people, yes. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. Its rage with me, he says. I didn't have. Not too long ago? Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. I said, `Oh, no. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. Change is slow. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. Was she lying? When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. (Talking in group) This is not about money. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. She was coming here to take care of me. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. to reconsider getting some help with that. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. And I saw that night her malignancy. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". It's. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Shirley. Try again. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. What if she is backed in a. corner? Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. 1 Nov, 2021 what character are you from encanto royal caribbean app features kelly ann cicalese . MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Do you understand? Why? Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. I was just gone. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Cpl. Easy duty. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. Not always. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Telegram file photo. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Is it OK? ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Was it true? One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. We decided that on the plane.. decision. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. Cpl. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' get in there, if that's what she demanded. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. It's great. Very brave parents. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. She was born to the late th Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. They told us that they'd found the body. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. This is a fantastic book. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. "He was beautiful," Kate . The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. 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